发信人: pillowmm (pillow), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Apr 10 10:54:58 2008)

"We felt really intimidated. They're violating our right to free speech."
Cordero said, "It's really the
microcosm of what's going on in China. Just like China's suppressing free
speech, so the pro-Chinese
protesters were suppressing free speech today by trying to block all our
signs, yell louder than us and
use space that was reserved for us."


"A lot of Chinese nationalists have come to counterprotest," Cordero said, "
They've been singing the
Chinese national anthem. I said, 'God bless America' and they booed me. I
yelled out, 'Liberty and
justice for all', and they called me liar."


"This is not peace," he (注:一个印度monk) said, gesturing toward the Chinese
protesters." I'm not surprised. I
always see this in my country."


Weiss, who was escorted from the crowd because of safety concerns......








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发信人: nayiwan (那一晚), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Apr 10 10:57:03 2008), 转信

as expected
【 在 pillowmm (pillow) 的大作中提到: 】
: "We felt really intimidated. They're violating our right to free speech."
: Cordero said, "It's really the
: microcosm of what's going on in China. Just like China's suppressing free
: speech, so the pro-Chinese
: protesters were suppressing free speech today by trying to block all our
: signs, yell louder than us and
: use space that was reserved for us."
: "A lot of Chinese nationalists have come to counterprotest," Cordero said,
"
: They've been singing the
: Chinese national anthem. I said, 'God bless America' and they booed me. I
: ...................


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发信人: Milanello (侧身西望), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Apr 10 12:36:47 2008), 转信

yeah, what else can we expect from them? I was in SF yesterday, rarely a
reporter would come to take a picture of the crowd of China supporters, they
just wanted to find ZDs.
【 在 nayiwan (那一晚) 的大作中提到: 】
: as expected
: "


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"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a
perspective, not the truth" --- Marcus Aurelius, AD 121-180
http://ourvoice.de/Our%20Voice/Opening.html


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发信人: zita (silent emotion), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Apr 10 13:10:56 2008)

明显是biased的
从那两张照片就看出来
不过我预料到了
媒体都这样
赞那个pp abc mm记者
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发信人: cise (cise), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Apr 10 15:17:23 2008)

很正常，我一向认为，利益才是惟一的驱动力。他们不过是想极力树立一种中国人evil
的形象罢了。根本不存在什么平等对话和交流。不要对西方的所谓民主寄予任何期望！
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发信人: forheart (猪歪瓜瓜), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Apr 10 17:58:08 2008), 转信

where to reply to these words?

I want to ask them. Did we suppress free speech because there was louder
voice against yours?
We chinese care more about the tibetans - our own citizen, than those self-
righteous Americans.


【 在 pillowmm (pillow) 的大作中提到: 】
: "We felt really intimidated. They're violating our right to free speech."
: Cordero said, "It's really the
: microcosm of what's going on in China. Just like China's suppressing free
: speech, so the pro-Chinese
: protesters were suppressing free speech today by trying to block all our
: signs, yell louder than us and
: use space that was reserved for us."
: "A lot of Chinese nationalists have come to counterprotest," Cordero said,
"
: They've been singing the
: Chinese national anthem. I said, 'God bless America' and they booed me. I
: ...................


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发信人: nayiwan (那一晚), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Apr 10 17:59:09 2008), 转信

http://media.www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2008/04/10/News/ProTibet.ProChina.Protesters.Clash.On.Quad-3316313.shtml
【 在 forheart (猪歪瓜瓜) 的大作中提到: 】
: where to reply to these words?
: I want to ask them. Did we suppress free speech because there was louder
: voice aagainst yours?
: We chinese care more about the tibetans - our own citizen then those self-
: righteous Americans.
: "



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发信人: AdvancedEdu (飞越重洋), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Apr 10 19:59:52 2008), 转信

他们抢夺奥运火炬该怎么样定性呢
我们至少没有抢他们的旗帜
连碰都没碰他们
落了下风就装可怜
鄙视！

再说了
集会本身就是为了给观众和媒体表达我们的观点
他们人少自然声音小
有本事找更多人来啊
我们人多而已


【 在 pillowmm (pillow) 的大作中提到: 】
"We felt really intimidated. They're violating our right to free speech."
Cordero said, "It's really the
microcosm of what's going on in China. Just like China's suppressing free
speech, so the pro-Chinese
protesters were suppressing free speech today by trying to block all our
signs, yell louder than us and
use space that was reserved for us."


"A lot of Chinese nationalists have come to counterprotest," Cordero said, "
They've been singing the
Chinese national anthem. I said, 'God bless America' and they booed me. I
yelled out, 'Liberty and
justice for all', and they called me liar."


"This is not peace," he (注:一个印度monk) said, gesturing toward the Chinese
protesters." I'm not surprised. I
always see this in my country."


Weiss, who was escorted from the crowd because of safety concerns......








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发信人: scyd (scyd), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Apr 10 21:29:52 2008)

我们应该以个人名义尽量向编辑部表示我们对倾向性报道的不满。

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发信人: nystar (纽约之星), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Apr 13 23:24:51 2008)

他说他的,你做你的.何必跟着人家舆论走呢.要他们看到就是这么tough的中国人.xz不
是第一件也不是最后一件,这些民主党的党狗们以后跟中国人过不去的地方多着呢.所以
这次让他们看看中国人的力量,下次打嘴炮时让他们自己也想想可能出现的抗议行动
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发信人: a314151 (开始报税...), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Apr 13 23:30:55 2008)

我觉得这个斗争过程中我方明显有勇无谋

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发信人: wuan ( b ), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Apr 14 05:05:37 2008)

恩，要掌握媒体

我们要发扬人多的优势，发挥网络的优势，占领网络阵地
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发信人: shishi (shishi), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Apr 14 09:33:07 2008)

【 在 a314151 (开始报税...) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我觉得这个斗争过程中我方明显有勇无谋

indeed. we even didn't know what was the protest for -- just a bunch
of kids want to show they care something.

it doesn't matter though. we've clearly showed what we needed to show.
although next time show prepare materials to educate people rather than
just overshadow them.
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发信人: inspire (Serenity), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Apr 14 09:39:12 2008), 转信

agree.

good thing is now people start rising to express.
next time we can make this better and more accurate.

【 在 shishi (shishi) 的大作中提到: 】
: indeed. we even didn't know what was the protest for -- just a bunch
: of kids want to show they care something.
: it doesn't matter though. we've clearly showed what we needed to show.
: although next time show prepare materials to educate people rather than
: just overshadow them.



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发信人: Optimus (Prime), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Apr 15 04:08:05 2008)

嗯，duke的同学们显然没有这回seattle的准备的充分。 好多人可能是零时通知去的，
口号标语宣传单都没跟上。 王HJ显然是有备而来，对可能发生的结果也是早有预计了
， 大家把这丫头想的太简单了
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发信人: kevintang (kevinuk), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Apr 15 08:37:25 2008)

王汉贱有心计的很。大家要注意了！！！
王汉贱有心计的很。大家要注意了！！！
王汉贱有心计的很。大家要注意了！！！
王汉贱有心计的很。大家要注意了！！！
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发信人: support (两岸猿声啼不住), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Apr 15 10:22:32 2008)

确实有亲历者感到我们这次有勇无谋,太不策略之类的.

我想说,

下次做的会更好,经验很重要.总有第一次的,有不如意的也是正常的.藏毒的喇嘛那是专
业的,也是锻炼出来的.

下次要更有准备,更有组织.准备是材料和针对性等方面,组织是到时候什么人做什么事
方面.

具体说一点就是,和藏毒对攻和对周围的宣传自己两方面都不能偏废,不要一激动就都去
对攻了.

另外,不要太在意别人的媒体宣传.主观地说我们做得再好他们都会找茬子,客观地说激
励我们改进下次做的更有策略做得更好,



感谢所有这次组织和参与活动的中国人.希望大家在5/11还有激情更有策略.


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发信人: chisquare (chi), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Apr 15 16:33:49 2008), 转信

你们把这个人看得太复杂了。她有个屁谋略，看她在场上单薄的样子，她自己
也就喊了两嗓子。所谓的不简单，只不过是大家给她加的而已
对于这种人，别理她。她这次行为，完全把自己给卖掉了，她脱离了中国这个圈子
却甩不掉中国人的思维，我看她走不远。大家可以忽略这个人了


【 在 Optimus (Prime) 的大作中提到: 】
: 嗯，duke的同学们显然没有这回seattle的准备的充分。 好多人可能是零时通知去的，
: 口号标语宣传单都没跟上。 王HJ显然是有备而来，对可能发生的结果也是早有预计了
: ， 大家把这丫头想的太简单了



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发信人: xiayulaa (xiayula), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Apr 15 20:11:47 2008)


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发信人: hutudan (hutudan), 信区: Carolinas
标 题: Re: Re: DUKE 校报的头条报道对我们很不利
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Apr 16 04:46:45 2008)

这样的官司我也打过。只要学生会主席会玩弄手法，根本就不惧。要学会耍手腕，否则
只会被人家玩得很惨。
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